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Buster
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posted 04-09-2008 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster   Click Here to Email Buster     Edit/Delete Message
This is probably old news to those of you that are feds and those of you that have a little more knowledge of research, but this is very interesting to me. It claims to be 82%-90%

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23926278

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Taylor
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posted 04-09-2008 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taylor   Click Here to Email Taylor     Edit/Delete Message
Here is another article that I received today on the subject (http://www.primenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=139802) :

Source: msnbc.com

Msnbc.com Exclusive Report: Pentagon to Issue Lie Detectors for U.S. Troops in Afghanistan
Bill Dedman, Pulitzer Prize-winning Investigative Reporter, Uncovers Controversial Testing Device
REDMOND, Wash., April 9, 2008 (PRIME NEWSWIRE) -- Msnbc.com's exclusive report (http://truth.msnbc.com) reveals that the Pentagon will issue hand-held lie detectors to U.S. troops, beginning this month in Afghanistan and then eventually in Iraq. The Army has bought 94 of the $7,500 machines, called the Preliminary Credibility Assessment Screening System, or PCASS. Other branches of the U.S. military have seen the device and may order their own. The total cost of the project to date is estimated at $2.5 million.


In an original story exclusive to msnbc.com, Bill Dedman, a Pulitzer Prize-winning Investigative journalist, reported that the Defense Department says the portable device will save American lives. According to an unclassified memo from the team leader of a U.S. Army detention camp on the outskirts of Baghdad, a portable lie detector at the war front would assist the U.S. Army in discovering who might be involved in militia or insurgent activities. But the lead author of a National Academy of Sciences study of the polygraph says that military men and women will be put at risk by an untested technology.

The new device is a handheld computer with three wires that attach sensors to the fingertips. An interpreter asks a series of 20 questions in Persian or Arabic or Pashto. The operator punches in the yes or no answers on a handheld computer, which reveals the word "Green" if it thinks the person has told the truth, "Red" if it decides the person was deceptive, and "Yellow" if it can't decide.

Polygraph machines have sparked a fierce debate for nearly a century. The scientific community has consistently said that there is little science to show that they work, while the Defense Department still relies heavily on them for security screening. The PCASS device itself is unclassified, and military officials agreed to show it to msnbc.com after the news organization had obtained studies describing the device.

The Pentagon, in a PowerPoint presentation obtained by msnbc.com through a Freedom of Information Act request, says the PCASS is 82 to 90 percent accurate. Those are the only accuracy numbers that were sent up to the chain of command at the Pentagon before the device was approved. However, three Pentagon studies obtained by msnbc.com show a more complicated picture: In calculating its accuracy, the scientists conducting the tests discarded the yellow lights, or inconclusive readings. That brings the accuracy down to 63 to 79 percent, and in conditions far different from those in a battlefield interrogation.

The full story, titled "New anti-terror weapon: Hand-held lie detector," is available at: http://truth.msnbc.com.

About msnbc.com

Msnbc.com delivers a fuller spectrum of news. Drawing on its award-winning original journalism, NBC News heritage, trusted sources and Microsoft's advanced technologies, the site presents compelling, diverse and visually engaging stories on the consumer's platform of choice. Based in Redmond, WA, msnbc.com is a joint venture of Microsoft (Nasdaq:MSFT) and NBC Universal (NYSE:GE).

CONTACT: msnbc.com
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Gina Stikes
212.664.7403
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rnelson
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posted 04-09-2008 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rnelson   Click Here to Email rnelson     Edit/Delete Message
nuked

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Dan S
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posted 04-10-2008 07:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan S   Click Here to Email Dan S     Edit/Delete Message
Well, it didn't take GM long to post something about the new device. He even has the test sequence with the Comparison Questions highlighted for the world to see.

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Barry C
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posted 04-10-2008 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C   Click Here to Email Barry C     Edit/Delete Message
How long before GM translates his site into multiple languages? Or maybe he has?

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Buster
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posted 04-10-2008 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster   Click Here to Email Buster     Edit/Delete Message
How does he get that stuff so quick?

So, noone gave their 2 cents, is this a threat to those of us that labored through 500 hours of training?

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Barry C
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posted 04-10-2008 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C   Click Here to Email Barry C     Edit/Delete Message
No, it's not a threat. It's for laymen - not examiners. In testing - from what's been in my inbox since this got out - examiners did more poorly than laymen when using it. It's a quick screening device for people with little training. It's not a polygraph replacement. Errors are set to be higher on the false positive side, for understandable reasons.

You could one day see polygraph that only needs attachments like that though...

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liedoctor
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posted 04-10-2008 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for liedoctor   Click Here to Email liedoctor     Edit/Delete Message
Folks,

PCASS is a field expedient Triage device. Under federal guidelines It is NOT to EVER be used for final diagnosis as to whether or not an examinee is deceptive to an issue. Right now all our soldier/interrogators have is "gut instinct" and in some cases hundreds of subjects to vet in any given situation. Our soldiers on the ground despirately needed a valid basic mass screening device. Bottom line, it's either this validated instrument, or we purchase certain other non-validated technologies currently being aggresively hawked...

Remember, polygraph remains the ONLY technology approved for determining deception in the DoD and other departments. PCASS is just an additional tool.

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stat
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posted 04-10-2008 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stat   Click Here to Email stat     Edit/Delete Message
AHA!

Someone call comic legend Stan Lee. It appears that Lafayette has "borrowed" some design features from an icon from the 60's and 70's.Just look for yourselves;

The PC-ASS as shown;
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....and here is the 1968 version of Peter Parker's web shooter. Could Lafayette be also working on a web shooter?


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stat
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posted 04-10-2008 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stat   Click Here to Email stat     Edit/Delete Message
......alert Lafayette that I have just now developed an add-on component to the PC-ASS. I call it the finger conductance isolator glove;

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.....nicknamed "Beaker."

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stat
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posted 04-10-2008 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stat   Click Here to Email stat     Edit/Delete Message
Mr. President, could you tell us which finger the GSR will be attached to on the new PC-ASS field lie detector instrument?

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stat
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posted 04-10-2008 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stat   Click Here to Email stat     Edit/Delete Message
I only just a while ago read the heated exchange on antipolygraph.org, and I feel a little guilty for lampooning the gizmo, knowing now how important it is to the troops.

Thank you nonombre for so eloquently writing on antipolygraph.org that George is a traitorous bastard (my words.) GM has really stepped over the line on this pcass thing---and that says a lot for a guy who has stepped over more lines than Dejong Sanders---but seriously folks....
And also, Sarge's defense of George further solidified what a complete creep he is, cop or not.
I reset my cookies and consequently lost my password-----good thing, as I feel a little unglued over what I just read.

p.s. It still looks like spider man's webshooter to me.

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J.B. McCloughan
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posted 04-10-2008 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for J.B. McCloughan   Click Here to Email J.B. McCloughan     Edit/Delete Message
Buster,

To answer your question, MSNBC FOIed the study and a direct link is provided in the article:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/NEWS/080409_PCASS_DACA_studies.pdf

Although we know the purposed use of this device, I received multiple inquiries from investigators interested in the article and the device.

Don did an excellent job of explaining the devices uses and limitations in the article. However, based on most of the inquiries I received people only looked at the picture and maybe read the first paragraph.

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Buster
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posted 04-11-2008 06:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster   Click Here to Email Buster     Edit/Delete Message
Thanx for your input guys.

Yes, JB I (too) can't walk by anyone in the hallways without being asked about it. It seems MSN's front page is commonplace nowadays.

I put great stock in this, at first, because it had the name "Lafayette" on it.

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